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Fast-paced musical documentary that visualizes the words of Arundhati Roy, specifically her famous Come September speech. Download the entire film for free or get a DVD copy at weroy.org
sassysue on Sep 24, 2006 05:09 PM
Estmint - I took your advice and watched this hour long video. I sure hope you are not an American. If you are it is so unbelievably sad. It’s one thing for this Indian Woman to believe that the U.S. is responsible for all of the problems and suffering in the world, but for an American to think it and buy into this propaganda is just incomprehensible to me. I’m making separate comments because there is just too much garbage to address. I doubt that I can get to it all.
sassysue on Sep 24, 2006 05:11 PM
In order to respond to this properly, I would need my own slick video director and an eloquent speech writer. To make my position into this type of propaganda takes money and talent that I don’t have. If I did have the money and the talent, one thing I would juxtapose is the cartoons shown to Palestinian children encouraging them to become suicide bombers and kill the dirty Jews vs the American Sesame Street teaching children their ABC’s and how to tolerate different races and religions. I’d also juxtapose the difference between their news media fawning all over the Hezbollah leader vs. Helen Thomas or Brian Williams trying to antagonize Tony Snow or the President. I’d also show pictures of the former Soviet Union and current Cuba who didn’t participate in Globalization and show the soup lines and rations that were the result. There are many things I could show to make our Country look great and make any other one look bad. If you have the money, you can put out that type of propaganda in a neat little package that isn’t questioned. All I can do is respond with a few points that show this video to be the one sided anti-American propaganda that it is. It’s funny that throughout her whole speech, she refers to us being misled by our Government. I haven’t seen any slick one sided videos like this from them. What I see from my government is challenged by the media and the other political parties. What she and others put out is not questioned or challenged by anyone.
sassysue on Sep 24, 2006 05:12 PM
1.) the most glaring problem with this video is that it assumes that all of the problems and suffering in the world are because of the U.S. and our lifestyle. If that is true, why was there poverty before the U.S. was even formed? Why was their poverty before the British created any colonies? Why was their poverty before Christ? Why was their a problem of resources and animals were starving and dieing even before there were humans? Why was and is there poverty in Countries that seal themselves off from Globalization?
sassysue on Sep 24, 2006 05:15 PM
2.) Another glaring problem with this which is characteristic of most propaganda is that it only demonizes - it offers no solutions. Well that’s not completely true. Her solution is to get rid of the U.S. Great Britain and Israel. Then the world would be bliss. She is concerned about the plight of the Palestinian people for example and blames it on Jewish occupation. She paints Israel as a country that just likes to bully the Palestinians for the fun of it. Closing roads for no reason other that to see them suffer. Can you really buy into such outrageous assumptions? Obviously roads get closed and walls get built because of problems with terrorism. Don’t’ you think it’s strange how she can empathize with their plight and justify the suicide bombing with what she calls acts of desperation not revolutionary tactics, yet be opposed to lifting the suffering Afghan people from the rule of the Taliban? For her to call the suicide bombings individual acts of desperation is ludicrous. Children are indoctrinated into this by cartoons from the time they can talk.
sassysue on Sep 24, 2006 05:24 PM
3.) Another propaganda technique is the way she selectively picks pieces of history to demonize the U.S. It’s like taking a person with a grade point average of 3.8 and calling them a bad student and only talking about the class they got a C in. According to her- every leader we have ever had has been evil including Mr. Nobel Peace man himself Jimmy Carter. Of course the U.S. has supported people who turned out to be worse than we thought. It’s not like we had a good choice and a bad choice of who to support and picked the bad one. We had two bad choices and had to try and determine who was the least bad. I didn’t see anything in this video about how we saved Europe from Hitler or the Stans from the Soviet Union. Even our former foes of Japan and Germany are better off now. You can also look at crooked governments like China who have at least embraced globalization and that is the difference between them and North Korea and why their people are beginning to come out of poverty while the people of North Korea remain in deplorable conditions with no hope for change.
sassysue on Sep 24, 2006 05:25 PM
4.) Globalization has lifted millions of people out of poverty. In fact poverty has had to be redefined in many countries to include people who can afford cable T.V., air conditioning, cars, and many many luxuries that even middle class and even rich people did not have in earlier times. Of course there are problems in third world Countries. Maybe if they tried it our way then they could criticize, but they haven’t, so all they can do is demonize our success. They were poor before we succeeded and they will be even poorer if we fail. We give billions in aide and it’s still not enough. It’s Ironic that one of the biggest benefactors of Globalization so far has been India where this woman is from. I’m not going to sit here and say that there are no problems with the IMF, WB or WTO. Of course there are, but people like her act as if there is a certain amount of wealth that is stagnant and not created and that it can just be equally distributed. She thinks that anything one person has, must be taken from another. That is not how it works. If it was then communism and socialism would have been shining examples that we would all be following right now. Instead, countries like Cuba have their entire population being poor. (Other than the select elites).
sassysue on Sep 24, 2006 05:26 PM
5.) I’m tired. I could go on and on with problems in this video but there just isn’t time. It’s real funny how this video ended with the free speech thing, like some how the U.S. was the one that didn’t have it. She’s fine with Hezbollah T.V., the Taliban and other Totalitarian regimes in Africa, Cuba and other countries, but thinks we don’t have enough access to information here. Come on - Wake up.
ZWXYQV on Sep 24, 2006 07:08 PM
...yes every nation, culture and peoples, are (all) f'd in the head together... ...............AMEN
estmint on Sep 24, 2006 11:47 PM
Sue, your have such an intriguingly simple logic: I'm having a good life so my government is good, they have a bad life so their governments must be bad. So how dare they complain instead of being thankful when our troops come in and we set them up in our ways? --- Arundhati Roy thinks that the people in this world that are suffering and betrayed need to be heard, not suppressed. You cannot name one single fact that is untrue, instead you criticize that she doesn't instead talk about how great the USA is or at least mention the problems which the U.S. politics are NOT to blame for. --- I wonder if you did feel personally insulted and just shut up your ears and thought its all lies and propaganda to make you feel bad just like the USA being merged with Canada and Mexico by the signing of the North American Union that still is a fact, even if you don't want to hear about it. --- The point here is not about insulting your feeling of love to your country. Its about opening your eyes to see what is really happening in the world which is not what your TV news makes you think it is. Your perception that your government is working in the best interest of you and the american people or even the people of the world is wrong. They are working for the interest and are controlled by very few that have set up a system of lies, terror and control to gain even more control and shroud themself, their tactics and their real goals.
sassysue on Sep 25, 2006 02:08 AM
Estmint - I have three more comments 1.) your logic is not simplistic - it’s convoluted. You think American government gives Americans freedom and prosperity so they must be bad? That is pretty illogical. There is nothing we can do that is right in your opinion. We would need to be as poor as the poorest people, for you to like us. If we try to get along with and deal with dictators we are said to prop them up, if we don’t then we are unilateralists cowboys who are not open to dialog. If we try to overthrow them we are evil warmongers and if we don’t we are complacent in Genocide. Can’t you get it? Our crime is that our system works and theirs doesn’t. There is nothing we can do that is right in the eyes of people who are worse off than us. Their governments teach them to blame us because they won’t take responsibility. Then there are wealthy countries like Saudi Arabia who have large welfare states that take care of their people too much so that they are bored and unsatisfied. They in-source labor and their populations lack purpose and personal satisfaction. Their boredom turns into religious fanaticism and that’s why you have wealthy college educated Arabs blowing themselves up in the name of religion.
sassysue on Sep 25, 2006 02:09 AM
2.) I gave you plenty of examples of how this video is propaganda and if you can’t see it, I can’t have any discussion with you. Do you agree with this woman that indoctrinating people from the time they are small children into suicide bombings that target civilians is justified because of Palestinian suffering? Do you also agree with her that violence against the brutal repressive Taliban Government was not justified when the conditions for the Afghan people were much worse than the Palestinians? If you agree with her, there is nothing I can say to you. Of course the U.S. government is going to act against countries that threaten our interest and not against those who don’t. We love democracy but we don’t like war. We avoid it. We don’t just go in and decided to install democracy against Countries that are not threatening us even when they have brutal regimes.
sassysue on Sep 25, 2006 02:10 AM
3.) I do not lose one wink of sleep or even a waking thought about us merging with Canada and Mexico. It’s not going to happen, but even if it were I wouldn’t care. You shouldn’t either. So many poor people in Mexico would benefit. Don’t we want to help the poor people?
estmint on Sep 25, 2006 11:44 AM
I guess I'll leave it at that with you. Thank you for the insight into a deeply controlled mind. It's scary, but even more its encouraging to intensify the fight against manipulation. Young people can see you as an example, how continuing to watch and believe in fox news will make good people totally numb to the truth and not just accept but love to be chipped, tracked, robbed, poisoned and enslaved.
sassysue on Sep 25, 2006 02:11 PM
estmint- I think it’s quite clear that yours is the mind controlled. I gave plenty of examples in my own words and all you could do is provide propaganda videos made by others and cry about conspiracies. Conspiracies are easy to prove. You only have to ignore all contrary evidence. That’s what this video does, that is what all of the other videos you post do and that is what you do. You don’t even attempt to answer any of the questions I pose. You can’t even answer a simple question about the violence comparisons I brought up. Let’s hear in your own words how indoctrinating children from the time they can talk into becoming suicide bombers that target civilians is justified, but violence aimed at a brutal repressive regime like the Taliban is not? I think this is at least the third time I’ve asked you this question so I don’t expect an answer.
estmint on Sep 25, 2006 10:33 PM
I never did nor do I intend to justify anything about misused palestinian children or the taliban. How does comparing one bad thing to another make anything better? You are saying things like that I think American government giving Americans freedom is bad and I would would want you to be poor. All kinds of stuff I never said and which could never be derived from my statements, only if you have a twisted mind. Its clear you need to make that up to have an excuse for not believing any of the things I actually said. Evidently, your whole mind is infested with lies. I mean you proudly believe that you still live in a democracy and have sound elections, come on. Btw. the Taliban just like Saddam would've never even got into power if it wasn't for the U.S directly supporting them. Its all documented in mainstream media, but you will call it conspiracy theories because your brainwashed mind doesnt want to hear about it. How about you posting a video, something that supports your views? Surely there is something interesting out there to find.
sassysue on Sep 26, 2006 02:26 PM
Estmint - Ok so at least you can admit that you disagree with this Indian woman on the Palestinian suicide bombings. It seems from what you have said that at least she wasn’t able to convince you that they are “individual acts of desperation not a revolutionary tactic”. This video is filled with these kinds of ridiculous statements and assumptions. She and you accuse our government of manipulating its public, but not the terrorists or totalitarian governments like Iran of manipulating theirs. With Hezbollah as an example, they have their own T.V. station and that is what the Palestinians watch. They don’t have Press conferences where antagonistic reporters question them. It’s just like this video, a neat, slick one sided portrait even down to cartoons encouraging children to aspire to be suicide bombers. Their funding comes mostly from Iran and Iran wants Israel gone period. They don’t want to live in peace with them they want them destroyed. The current President of Iran and the Prior President of Iran have stated this publicly. Hezbollah and Hammas have stated it publicly. How can Israel make piece when the condition is their destruction? Every single cease fire has been ended by the Palestinian terrorists. This is no different than the way Hitler got so many people to go along with the atrocities he committed. All governments manipulate their people to some degree or another. You and this Indian women seem to think that free nations like the U.S. and Great Britain are better at it and have more sinister motives than closed totalitarian countries like Iran. It’s illogical. You also seem to think that corporate influence is the crux of all evil yet countries that keep it out like Cuba and Iran that have no personal freedoms and bad overall living conditions. As I brought up in a prior example, even a totalitarian regime like China that is allowing corporations in improves it’s living conditions better than one like North Korea that keeps them out.
sassysue on Sep 26, 2006 03:22 PM
Esmint - As far as me putting word in your mouth, I only flipped the incorrect words you put in my mouth with your “simple logic” statement, so don’t lecture me about putting words in someone’s mouth. I’m sorry to rock your world by being happy that I live in the Country that I do and appreciative of the freedom and prosperity it provides me. I imagine what ever Country you live in isn’t all that bad either. I see the corporate influences have at least allowed you to have access to a computer and the internet. I wonder if the country you live in is as free as mine where I can walk around saying and doing what ever I want when ever I want (other than committing murder, battery or stealing and I don’t care to engage in those activities). I can criticize my President, my Governor and my Mayor and I am not arrested or persecuted. Are there things I’d like to see changed in my country? You bet there is. Is there another country that I think does it better - no- sorry - if there was I would move there because my government allows me to leave. We have the opposite problem of places like Iran and Cuba - we have millions trying to come here and few wanting to leave. I hope for a day when everyone can have the same freedom and prosperity.
fengjinhua on Oct 20, 2007 07:55 AM
fengjinhua on Oct 20, 2007 07:55 AM
yes